I recently talked with Mike Pagliarulo about his experiences coming over from the Padres to the Twins as a free agent before the 1991 season to win a World Series, as it turned out. I started by asking how he came to sign with the Twins in January of 1991.
Q: How did you wind up with the Twins?
A: In San Diego, I was fortunate enough to play with such great talent (Tony Gwynn, Roberto Alomar, etc.), but it wasn’t the environment I was best at. In Minnesota I put myself in a better environment, where I could get the most out of myself. In the winter meetings, 1990, it was the first time I’d been to them, I didn’t know quite what was going on at them. So I went there, to Florida, hanged out, tried to figure out what to do the next year. I talked to managers, coaches, asked them, “What do you want, what’s your approach?” I ran into Tom Kelly, we had really good conversations about his philosophy. I said, “So he’s got a good plan here.”
A couple weeks later, when Gary Gaetti went to the Angels, Andy MacPhail called me up and said, “What do you want to play for?” and I said sure, I signed the contract, I knew the guy (Kelly). The Twins played games hard, played very hard-nosed, very competitive, we had so much in common, our vision, our goals.
Q: You were a newcomer to the Twins in ‘91. Was it a hard adjustment? I’m thinking in terms of moving to the area, playing in a dome, indoors for the first time in your career, adjusting to Puckett and Gagne and those guys.
A: Well, the thing about playing indoors-my first game was there, at the Metrodome, I enjoyed playing there. It was a good thing, you could stick to a routine, it helped you maintain consistence. Baseball is all about preparation for what might happen, and you knew the weather, the surface, the wind, it was all the same from day to day. That helped. I could depend on those things being the same, didn’t have to worry about the conditions changing. I was a little more mature then, I knew more about what was going to happen (in a game), and that was a good match for me.
Q: But your legs, weren’t they affected by playing on that turf?
A: No, at the point in my career I knew more about how to take care of myself, I was on a better workout regime, went to the gym every other day. So that wasn’t really a problem.
Q: Your top of the 10th homer to win game 3 of the ALCS put the Twins up 2 games to 1 on the way to the 4-1 series win. Could you talk about your approach to that pinch-hit at bat and the experience of hitting that homer?
A: I was not a good pinch-hitter. But I’d go to the back of the dugout, hitting off a batting tee, get a good sweat going, stay warm, because with T.K. we always knew when something was going to happen, we were never surprised. I was ready, because Jimmy Key, he never threw a complete game, I knew he’d be taken out. So every inning I’d take those swings, because I knew I was going to pinch hit, against Mike Timlin, as it turned out.
On that pitch (the homer in the 10th), I wasn’t trying to do too much, but it was great, my best game, and my shortest game too.
Q: And then there was the memorable World Series with Atlanta.
A: That was a very good series. I did well against Smoltz. It’s funny, I still stay in good touch with those guys (from the Twins), Randy Bush, Dan Gladden, the clubhouse manager, I called him both of the last couple days. Such great camaraderie on that team.
Q: Your 3 for 3 showing in game 4 of the World Series included hitting a seventh inning homer to put the Twins ahead, but the Braves tied it in the bottom of the inning and then the Twins lost in the bottom of the ninth. Were you a little upset to get pinch-hit for in the top of the ninth, even though you would have faced a lefty, Mike Stanton?
A: Nobody wants to be taken out, but the manager’s doing his best to win, the same as you are. You can complain, say something about it, but that doesn’t help anything. I was stubborn and wanted to stay in there and hit, of course, but the manager’s trying to win the game, you have to trust his judgment. I was upset-absolutely, it’s a normal temporary emotion-but you don’t make a stink about it, that’s not productive at all. It’s never personal, being taken out. There was an understanding there, with Kelly, knowing what the intent was behind his decision.
Q: What was it like to be playing in game 7 of a World Series?
A: You don’t even think about the importance of the game, a game 7, the World Series. You’re concentrating, so many things can happen, preparing-that’s what goes on in your mind, and defensively, knowing where everybody is (on the field). Nobody thinks that way, in terms of historical relevance. You’re pulling for him (your teammate), hoping for him, emotionally with him, everybody into all these pitches. You know, the team concept.
Q: I noticed that in game 7 vs. the Braves, you came up in the ninth with Chili Davis on third and a chance to win the Series. It was every boy’s dream of getting a hit to win game 7, and then you got intentionally walked, never had that chance.
A: [laughs] I told the catcher, “Don’t even tell me you’re walking me. If you do, I’m hitting you with this bat.” But it worked out, we won in the 10th.
Q: Aside from his on-field skills, what did Kirby bring to the Twins?
A: Kirby was a great teammate, everybody was really good on that team, and we weren’t so loud. Those guys were very unselfish. Kirby was just fantastic, a gamer. Someone who can change the game in a minute, a very dangerous hitter. Kirby’d say “It’s my responsibility to get this team going, get some hits and help us score runs,” and try to take the pressure off everybody. It was a psychic thing, relieve the pressure. He did things like that all the time. But it can hurt the guy who says it, because you don’t normally play like that, and then all of a sudden you feel that pressure on your shoulders.
In ‘91 we had 25 guys together. Toronto had more talent, we had a better team. It’s the difference between having talented players and having the best team. That’s what I sensed.
Background, religion, color, that never made a difference, we never thought about it. Playing the game, it’s all about, from first to last, a common vision, and everybody shared that. It’s not easy to get that with other teams. Everyone wants to win: some players are focused on their contract and stats, but that’s rare. And nobody was really like that with the Twins.
We were unselfish, everybody played a role, we had really good communication. T.K. would tell us, “We need to know what’s coming at us: get ready, be prepared.” It was a great learning experience. Maybe I wasn’t as prepared earlier in my career, but I took that (education) away from the Twins.